the face of the democratic opposition? >> you know, that's an interesting question. one thing i don't see among the democrats. i see some democrats who are talking about how the party needs to appeal more to white working class voters, on the basis of economics. what i don't see is them saying what other democrats have done in the past, which is we also need to try to cater a little bit to their cultural sensibilities in a way that bill clinton did in the 1990s. and i wonder if a merely economic message is going to be enough to try to cut those margins -- >> no. no. they're absolutely not. i wrote a whole book about it, no. there is a cultural riff right nogoing on in this country and progressives and my liberal friends, they think everything's transactional. that middle america family that goes to church every sunday. everything isn't about pocketbook and transactions. howard deen talked about it. i don't think enough progressives understand that.