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now in terms of us, the press, and we, the public, getting information about ethics complaints, about ethics investigations of lawmakers? is there an issue in terms of just what we have access to when these complaints are made, when lawmakers are looked into in terms of ethical misdoings? >> absolutely. and it was already pretty bad to begin with, because the process was so secretive, you couldn't get information out of this office for fear they would get shut down the way they may tomorrow, frankly. but ultimately we would get reports that either tell us that somebody was indeed facing some ethical questions or that they had been excused. but it was a months-long, very secretive process. it probably will be even more so now, if it goes through. >> in terms of the politics here, you mentioned that very important point that house speaker paul ryan and majority leader kevin mccarthy didn't want to do this. they did not want this to be the first headline of the new congress, that they'll be getting rid of the ethics office. that implies that they're having issues controlling their own

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