give individuals the right to write off payment for health care. people leaving obamacare, it's already crushing itself under its own weight as people jump because of high premiums, soaring costs, the doctor pool shortage. people leave the program and you leave about 3 million people who have some really serious, catastrophic problems and you can shift them to medicare and call it a day and you haven't had to kick anybody off anything or dismantle obamacare. it will fumble -- it will crumble under its own weight because it's a horrible bill. >> jimmy, go ahead. >> here's the problem, how do you pay for that? if you don't pay for it, you add to the deficit. i'm totally okay with that. that's fine with me. >> hogan, let me ask you this and i'll put it a different way. there are a whole lot of people in congress who don't want an increase in the deficit. everybody's math, including mine, when studying donald trump's -- all sorts of thins donald trump wants to do, means a bigger deficit. his infrastructure stuff, i think, is a great idea. it's going to call for a bicker deficit.