they are handing over the west wing to donald trump. but then when you get up into the higher ranks and in particular the president himself, he, i think, has taken great pains to give trump space during this transition. he's talking to him privately. dennis met with reince priebus privately. they are trying to give them guidance without being too heavy handed. i think the president would be more than willing to continue talking to trump after he leaves the white house. i think he feels if trump can call on him as a resource, he can give him context for his decisions and some of his policies that trump may not get from his own advisers. that may be wishful thinking on the part of obama but how he thinks of the relationship going forward. >> michelle obama said something that drew negative headlines. in her interview with oprah, she said he is our president. if he succeeds, america succeeds.