foreign policy veterans who served in republican administrations. they worry about this. you can create space but the space is there then to be able to negotiate. not to add -- throw more wood on the fire with another statement. if you say what i really do want is an arms race, you're going to lose the country. the country doesn't want to go through a nuclear arms race. the country wants balance and pushback against moscow. for those positions he would have support. not for a nuclear arms race. >> john meachem, this is reminiscent of what we heard from ronald reagan from 1979 to '83, '84. remember the radio statement where -- first of all, he called them the evil empire. the soviet union the evil empire and asked what his strategy was on not only the nuclear race but the cold war. reagan said we win. they lose. and then talk about that radio