turkey is actually, does have a base of islamism. and people are going to be upset about the images and the things that they see, and russia is very well-known for causing the massacre that exists in aleppo by treating it like the city of gross nia and chechnya, bombing everything indiscriminately. so the people on the street, it's very interesting. i want to see in future reporting from ayman and richard engel how that's going to play to the average turk. erdogan has some control over this narrative, but that doesn't mean the people will buy into it. >> if you really take this and separate it a little bit from the politics, what you have here is a mike crow come. this is what happens when people have a break down and feel that