>> while the fifth most valuable company publicly listed company in the world, it's global. so he has had to deal with leaders and politics and what we found in previous administrations is, when certain deals need to be made with governments with whom the united states does not deal that well, they tend to reach out to ceos of major companies like the fedex and u.p.s., like the banks and energy companies, so you know, there are cabinet picks of people who have absolutely no experience in doing what they do. rex tillerson does fly around the world and meet with world leaders all the time. i'm less worried about that, but he is a very, very strong believer that sanctions are not an important tool. >> that's an excellent point. i wonder if that was a draw. we'll have to talk about that in the days ahead. msnbc's ali velshi thank you for calling in. joining me is the deputy national political editor at