>> does kellyanne have a point? >> he does. jen pal mere hooe has a point the campaign gave a platform to white supremacists. both could be true at the same time and still exist. >> exactly. also important to put in context with the bag ground of the "new york times," they've always been influencers in elections. i was in the carter administration. we were supposedly by ""post" reviews between certain individuals of the reagan campaign and the iranians in terms of the iranian hostages. if the hostages had been released everyone pretty much agrees carter would have run the election so i'm sensitive. if you look at the media, look at fake news, you look at the internet now and wikileaks, there are all sorts of influencers to the elections to somehow think it's just the russians swayed this election i think is both naive and dangerous. >> peter, let's look at this transition in general. how does it compare to past