the end is a sanctions bill that i think, knowing what we know now, is probably appropriate to begin discussing. >> before we get to that stuff, though, i find it a little difficult if you're just a citizen, to track this. there are some firms that have made some data publicly available that would suggest this was coming from russia, whether it was state actors or not. obviously the intelligence agencies have come to that conclusion. it seems like i can't see the evidence. it se seems persuasive to me. but i guess my question to you is before there's actions, like what would it be to definitively establish in the court of public opinion to the incoming president, we should note, that this really was them? >> what we've heard so far is statements by the director of national intelligence. i think it would be important before the end of his term for president obama to directly say