factual information. some people didn't do the same. >> how much of a role do you think race may have played inside the jury room? >> i don't believe it played a role inside the jury room. >> not at all? >> not that i could have seen. >> what was the chief argument being made against manslaughter and against murder as well? >> self-defense. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez has been following this story from the very beginning. he's joining us now from charleston, south carolina. gabe, good to visit with you. what more are you hearing about jurors' decision in this case? we know the jury foreman said the video of the scott shooting, this was striking, he said it did not necessarily make this an open and closed case. >> reporter: that's right, peter. good afternoon. what's also interesting about this case a what we're hearing from the jury foreman is the actual breakdown of how it all ended up. this was clearly not open and shut. dorsey montgomery said first he was leading toward murder but toward the end he was leaning toward manslaughter.