>> that is what we're doing. we're voting for a name on a ballot, but there's really an underlying set of electors that you represent now. how did you make this decision to not vote as you were committed to do as an elector? >> it's been a little bit of a long process, but ultimately, this weekend was kind of the final raindrop that created the flood, if you will. mike pence being on the sunday talk shows, repeating the attack on our institutions that donald trump had started about 3 million illegal voters voting, which is fake news at best. there's no good accounting of that anywhere, and if there were any kind of a validation of that, my question would be why isn't the trump campaign asking for a recount go those states. but when you attack our institutions, our constitution, when you spend more time attacking the cast of "saturday night live" than you do with your daily intelligence briefing, i have to start evaluating whether i can support