the "new york times." you weren't in the meetings. you get to speak freely on this. what do you see developing here between trump and the media? >> i do think the first where you were going to have a detente. donald trump has a complicated relationship with the media. he loves the media. he loves "the new york times." he loves watching cable tv news. he loved doing u ining the inte d he did. you were a former white house correspondent. helene, you as well. being a white house reporter, you see yourself as an institution. it's a different job than being a congressional reporter. it's different than being a political reporter. when you get in the oval office, you are at the podium, it's a different ball game. and a tougher game. >> do you feel like you can share? >> the meeting at the times was definitely a different donald trump than you have seen if you