pence have a very strong relationship. not only collaborating when it comes to legislation but also a friendship. this is where mike pence becomes incredibly powerful and important. it was, perhaps, a very smart pick on trump's side because he's going to look at the leadership within mike to make sure he can can bring in not only paul ryan but a lot of senators on the republican side. >> donald trump in his big interview with "the new york times" made a lot of headlines. one of the themes is that he seemed to reverse himself on some of the key things he said on the campaign trail. now he's maybe for immigration reform. now he's not sure about waterboarding anymore. he's not going to get a special prosecutor to look into hillary clinton. these are all flip-flops from what he said out on the trail. do you see that as him moderating his views to try to work more with more mainstream republicans? what did the base, and the voters who voted for him on those issues? >> i think donald trump gets a