the campaign says they've had over 60 meetings with qualified people. they say for these top jobs. rudy giuliani expressed openi openingly he was interested in secretary of state. we heard donald trump wasn't so pleased by that. because it was so public and he was trying to take all the attention away. so we heard his name for the director of national intelligence as well which would be an interesting role for hill considering he doesn't have experience in the intelligence arena beyond being the mayor of new york and doing some consulting for foreign governments which would also lead to some conflict of interest questions as well. so the loyalists are still trying to put their names in the hat, excuse me, their names in the hat, but there are others being considered as well. we've seen a lot of uncommon or untraditional, unconventional in the trump world names, like mitt romney. >> i'll get your thoughts on this "new york times" meeting