on putin? i know some people think that too. what would make him change his behavior? >> we have sanctions to not just him and his cronies, but elements that he relies about. the panama papers exposed that he uses cut outs. we haven't used the existing executive orders to go after elements of that business empire. that could be done. we can play a symmetric warfare too and play information warfare. >> someone argued we invented it and we have been meek and mild at times, but if push comes to shove, we need to push back. in the context of the ukraine. he cares about what happens to the ukraine. we have not sent weapons. they have taken them seriously. the reality is we have tools to push back. do we have the political will to do it?