>> jason, okay, and let's take you at your word, but bannon himself called breitbart, quote, the platform for the alt right. those are his words. he is regardless -- let's take everything you say as truth. he is still someone who in the minds and in the eyes of many people of color all across this country is a symbol of someone who is not going to embrace them so why would mr. trump -- and should he reconsider him as a part of his west wing? is there not someone better to fill that position? >> kristen, i can't think of a better advocate who can better implement the president-elect's agenda. i didn't know steve bannon well prior to this campaign. i've been with hip out in public, i've been with him behind closed doors, and i can tell you, the way he's conducted himself, to bring people together for inclusion, to embrace diversity, has been