trade deals with, but we know that some portion of his wealth is tied up there. >> i do love debt. i love debt. i love playing with it. >> we only have a small picture of his debt since he has not released his taxes. a sure way to be totally free of conflict of interest, to put his money in a blind trust. what that really means, i want to bring in my friend alley velshi. we've been talking about this, ali. i want to clarify. he doesn't have to put his money in a blind trust. >> he could liquidate it. that is the simplest thing is to do. >> what would that look like? >> it's property and licensing. property you want to get it -- you want to sell it in a market that's favorable to you. a lot of these licensing deals, they're long-term contracts to put your name on a building, put it on underwear or socks or whatever. it takes some work to get out of it. it would have no conflict of interest aside of what you talked about with the debt. if he did that he'd get a check