seems so far away at the moment, this is potentially also a head nod to those states which brought donald trump to the presidency. >> well, i think as betsy and sara have intimated, as a democrat i don't know him at all, but it seems the pick is not only that aspect, richard, but just i think the recognition that in addition to winning he has to govern that. >> as he starts to govern donald trump, betsy, the question, as he's grown in the rnc and you probably remember his -- how he was dealing with press early on versus the way he deals with press today, the way he was managing the rnc earlier versus the way he does today, he has certainly grown in the role and now this next big role as chief of staff, according to nbc sources in case you're just joining us, our viewers here, reince priebus, the chairman of the rnc chosen as chief of staff.