and clarence page. michelle, democrats need to find a way forward in trump era. they can't blame the minority vote that was there, but many women, whites, came and did not vote for mrs. clinton. how do they re-energize their base white vote, white working vote, and energize the minorities at the same time? >> well, just on that point exactly, white women usually don't vote for the democrat. white women usually break for the republican. >> even when it is a woman candidate that is going to break the glass ceiling? >> even a woman candidate, women don't vote with the block. >> and the republican party that had done things that many women consider offensive? even -- >> exactly. it is surprising what people will put up with from their team's standard bearer. so going forward, though, the problem was hillary clinton was