saying, actually, i don't think this guy trump -- just think back to 2012. the last week before the election, there were national polls that had mitt romney a little bit ahead. in pennsylvania, president obama was up by four. he ended up winning it, i think, by six. this doesn't look that weird for the democrats. >> let me ask you a basic question. going through my head like i've been doing this. thinking back 20, 30 elections. it seems when there's a close election, nixon, kennedy, humphrey, nixon, carter, ford. the last decision making of the weekend tends to go back toward the incumbent. a safer, you tend to go, oh! it went toward gore, i think. what do you think? is the tendency of that last block to go to the safer hillary or the wilder trump? >> i would hesitate to predict that this year because i could see last-minute voters saying, what the hell?