say this. how do we have fusion of aei and hard populism on trade? horde populism on tax policy? a lot came in in '94 that were a mix. i don't know why hedge funders pay 14% tax rate. that's offensive to me. i have a feeling if i'm feeling that as a small government conservative, probably 80% of americans of feeling that. >> let me answer the question by saying if only someone with a populist world view and had good sensibilities about policy and super savvy in media and great head of hair ran for president, is there anybody out there like that? >> willie geist? i don't know willie's politics. >> i don't think you have to have a specific trade or immigration policy that's very populist or not very populist. i think that you have to have a world view and aspirational