independents. and demonstrate, show, not tell that she's very serious about trying to bring everyone together. >> give me a for instance. because, obviously, she's got to reach across to, that's one on one. give me a specific thing she could do, a tactic that would kind of all of a sudden go, wow, maybe this is going to be different than we thought. >> i'll give you two tactics she could do, potentially. one is, she could sit down with donald trump very early. she said to him last night that, you know, i'm going to need -- we're all going to have to work together. she could actually call donald trump, sit down with him. you know, talk to him. that would be, i think, a dramatic thing. the second thing i could do, though, she could actually go to capitol hill and meet with the leadership of both parties. go up there. not make them come to her. and that would also be, i think, a strong signal. >> susan, i want to talk to a colleague of yours, kellyanne conway, she looks really tired. i think she's great, but she's got an unwinnable trump. what would you say if you were managing her career now? she's at an interesting