and a senior strategist for mitt with us, john lovett, former speechwriter for both president obama and hillary clinton and romney's 2012 presidential run, and stuart, to take me inside these numbers. for example, in 2012 looking at current hollywood comedy writer. john lovett, you've written some jokes for these kinds of romney, he won big in these speeches. polls on the first debate, he won by a margin of 42, then i'm hoping that our audience saw all of this during rachel's president obama won the next one hour. by a margin of seven and the give us your scorecard of what next by a margin of eight. you saw tonight. that's the way all these numbers >> first of all, i do need to be careful, because i did seen a were assembled. non-disclosure agreement with but i guess it's fair to say, hillary clinton had the weakest the trump campaign, but you know donald trump was, how is he opponent in a debate that anyone going to act at this dinner, has seen before. right? >> well, you know, you go back to the primaries, one of the is it normalizing donald trump, and it is gross that hillary clinton had to sit two seats down from him, but what you see is the dinner had nothing to do biggest of things he pushed for with normalizing donald trump. was that he would win these debates, just like he would self-fund, just like he was when he came to the podium, he couldn't help but being himself. going to win california and new york, and it's proven to be some of his jokes were good. another trump university bet on the pardon me joke was good, the the sell but not the melania joke was good, but he performance.