incarnation is, after the election should trump be defeated. you have a grievance movement that's building within the american right. a movement that's populist, nationalist and not so much wrapped up in the cult of personality around trump. it's a movement that's distancing itself from traditional conservatism to movement conservatism. if you have movement conservatism at the heart of your party in these congressional majorities, you want to preserve that as much as possible. that's why you see kind of a mute response from capitol hill. >> yeah, you do wonder is there anything that he can say that would get a harsh rebuke or an unendorsement from paul ryan at this point? robert costa, thanks for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. joining me now former obama speechwriter who served as speechwriter for hillary clinton, her senate office, campaign trail in her 2008 run for president. well, let's start, i want to talk about the al smith dinner in a second because i don't know if we have that live shot just to let people get a sense of the theatrics around this because it's supposed to be this sort of lighthearted evening, gentle ribbing. i want to get your thoughts on that as someone who's written