it's really also following the words of michelle obama when they go low, we go high. she cannot chase trump on the stage. she has to let trump be trumpet she can't -- >> he might chase her though. >> right. >> bizarre, like visual that we saw of him at at last debate. look, when i heard unshackled, i said oh, my god, we all need to get vaccinated. what are you talking about? >> an example of what he might be talking about because one of the things that donald trump has done less is to really go after president obama in a really direct way. going after michelle, he's not crazy. >> i don't rule anything out. >> but this is donald trump treading into that territory, back into the birtherism territories, trump on saturday talking about president obama. take a listen. >> she wants 550% more coming in. thousands that our president, quote, president, has coming in.