distressing, on many levels, but i don't want anybody to think this election is over, because it's, so unpredictable up till now that i'm not taking anything for granted. we've got to work really hard to -- for the next 3 1/2 weeks, because who knows, who knows what can happen. so everybody who's watching and everybody who has followed this election, please, turn out and vote. >> jennifer, it's not just hillary clinton. her surrogates don't want to go out there. there are only two stories the media's interested in right now. wikileaks and donald trump's -- the accusations against donald trump. the clinton campaign doesn't want to play in either of those, so they're just staying out of it, completely, for the foreseeable future. >> and trump is filling that void beautifully. but one thing that people argue about hillary clinton is she's not necessarily great about defending herself on controversial questions. so he's deflecting this. but one of the risks of not going and doing interviews right now or coming o oe ining out an about this, is that she's maybe building up some pent-up demand