but do you think the administration got everything they wanted in the affordable care act? >> secretary clinton's talking about evolution under that. >> but ours is going to get everybody covered. i haven't heard how secretary clinton is going to do that. for all the talk about where's the sanders plan, where's the clinton plan? the cost savings doesn't get you to everybody and if you look at what she said in 2008 compared to now, it's very different. >> can you do a medicare for all that doesn't raise taxes -- she used the number 9%. >> we don't need to use their numbers. the truth of the matter for american families, they will be spending less under a medicare for all plan. might be a premium-based payment to the government? yes, they might. they won't be paying private health insurance deconductibduc. a lot of people with insurance now don't go to the doctor