lundgren is able to control all of his followers. he dictates their every move. for some, even their thoughts. >> no one around you ever had secret discussions? >> no, in fact, that kind of communication control is a huge part of the setting. without the setting, you don't have the effects that this kind of thing can bring about. >> how was that imposed? how did he impose the control over 20 people? >> well, there's the subtleness of eventually keeping certain conversations restricted. in other words, there are certain things you don't need to talk about and there are certain things you shouldn't talk about. and there's a lot of reprisals for any time someone would do something. a form of nonphysical punishment. >> lundgren convinces luff and the other followers that their sins will delay the second