keeping, the latest in a string of things that is probably going to keep happening? >> this is not an isolated incident. i believe that this is an example of after incident that will continue to happen. and you know, even though some of these groups have dips avowed what has happened up in oregon this time, you can't unring a bell. they've supported cliven bundy and some of these other incidents throughout the west. so i think it's not an isolated incident. >> your group has put out a report this past year, in august, called "going to extremes, the anti-government extremism behind the growing movement to seize america's public lands." and public land use is the sort of thing that feels esoteric except concerns about that seem to be what's driving the armed very provocative standoffs. map's the connection between