supporting and once again in an armed standoff with the federal government. the thing that's incredible, the sheriff asked them to go, the family asked them to go. i'm not sure what i that ear trying to accomplish. are they seizing the federal land? and if so, for whom? >> is this a reaction to the way things were handled in nevada? >> i think joy is absolutely right. the bundy family saw themselves as heroes. they were lionized by people like cruz, trump, carson and rand paul. you know sean hannity extolled their virtued every day. and when no one was arrested the malitia world said courage is contagious. and the number of militias in our country have grown considerably since that time. what we're seeing is the predictable result of the failure of law enforcement to crack down because of what happened at the bundy ranch in april of 2014. >> let's listen to what marco