of juice, so jen switched on her tape recorder. >> and, you know, he sort of looked towards the door in a way is anyone there? and leaned in towards me and said in a whisper, you know, it didn't happen exactly the way they say it did. it wasn't -- it's like nothing you'd ever believe. i got the impression that maybe, you know, mac is a police officer, the police presence was a reminder of punishment and maybe he'll talk to me alone. >> let's you and me talk, huh? >> yeah. so i alerted mac to that and mac stayed right outside the door. and i proceeded to talk to art for about four more hours. >> a cat-and-mouse game. >> yes. >> clarice. >> yes. >> brave clarice. you'll let me know when those lambs stop screaming, won't you? >> tell me his name, doctor! >> clarice! your case file.