make it worse? >> listen. i think this whole thing right now, there's a lot of gray area because there are still things we don't know. for instance, charlie sly says, hey, i wasn't an employee in this place. some people at the institute saying he wasn't a ploem at 2011. he was an intern in 2013. how could he know about 2011? and al gentlemjazeera standing story. >> he's back pedaling. does that help manning with sly saying i take back everything i say? >> he's a sleaze civ character to begin with. this is the equivalent of unsending the e-mail after you have blasted it out to the world and charlie sly doesn't have credibility. >> manning, legacy and brand bruised now? >> yes. we don't know how badly yet. we'll learn more. >> you'll be talking about it. >> you know it. >> thank you very much.