especially when it comes to the birtherism. it's a moot issue. there is no reason to address it other than for his own sake. there is no reason to get down and dirty with donald trump. it's not something playing on the campaign even. donald trump himself doesn't like to talk about it. when you were asking him about it. with me he doesn't like to talk about it. >> because he can't make the case that the president snuck into this country, that his mother named him hussein, went off to kenya and have him born, then snuck back to hawaii and had all the birth announcements. it's ludicrous that charge. >> it might be ludicrous, but he refuses to back away from it. what you hear at these rallies, the anger towards the president from the people who show up is palpable. you hear one or two guys scream as loud as they can, obama is a muslim or obama is a isis or obama was born in kenya.