>> there's no weight to be thrown. but matt, to your point about interventionism and hawkishness not being particularly ascendant. rand paul has failed to gain traction as well. and i guess i wonder where do you think we are on that subject? >> i don't know. i mean, it's really up in the air. there's a whole question of which of the kind of 3% club is going to give us the dead cat bounce, right? fiorina's super hawkish. she'll name every single submarine class you've ever heard of in the course of a debate. rand paul is going anti-kind of interventionist. ted cruz is hitting a lot more anti-interventionist notes. despite the carpet bombing. he wants to sell it by saying carpet bombing but he's against a lot of the nation building kind of exercises out there. so one of those guys or gals is going to jump up from the 3% level hopefully just to make this thing more interesting. but we don't know. ever since isis started beheading people that really changed american public opinion. more americans noticed that thing happening than had noticed any single public event basically since 9/11 and it's changed the way that we're thinking about things. >> but it's a miscalculation to