are having conversations, and there's a general atmosphere that we really need to have a plan b because this could get out of control really quickly. >> what are some of the traps that they may be discussing, shall we say, here, luke, as the leadership are putting their brains together that might be able to avert a donald trump nomination leer? >> mcconnell, ryan, they're very careful to never have any of their top, top people participating in the discussion. it's always down at the lower level. but i sincerely think that you will see outside power and money against him very soon. they haven't been able to coalesce around -- they're going to do something to pump up rubio, this is all hearsay, but