make a ton of sense unless you think they, capital t, they are out to get us. and that is a sentiment that is not really tethered to one little group of the country. it was pretty big in this room. >> okay. hunter, you wrote on this plan to get 100% of the black vote. which i'm just going to go out on a limb and predict doesn't happen. but i do think this. there's been all this reporting about how all over the place donald trump has been in his career positionwise, and i do think that were he to win the nomination i think he would just etch-a-sketch it up, shake it and just be completely -- just say whatever he thought would work for that. >> well, there was a really stunning admission in my opinion that i got from the trump campaign while reporting this story, and michael cohen, trump's lawyer, long-time member of his inner circle, said he's the one coordinating this african-american outreach effort, and he said they know they have to move beyond trump's white christian southern base. and they turn to african-americans because in