nomination i think he would just etch-a-sketch it up, shake it and just be completely -- just say whatever he thought would work for that. >> well, there was a really stunning admission in my opinion that i got from the trump campaign while reporting this story, and michael cohen, trump's lawyer, long-time member of his inner circle, said he's the one coordinating this african-american outreach effort, and he said they know they have to move beyond trump's white christian southern base. and they turn to african-americans because in michael cohen's words, they've given up on the latinos and they're not concerned about that -- >> they've given up on the latinos -- i basically should say he's given up an latinos because all those people who are latino who don't like him are illegal and he wants to deport them. >> yeah-e said they can't vote anyway. >> which i have to say is untrue. he's polling way underwater among latino citizens of the united states. >> so they have targeted african-americans. we've seen trump go through several different reinventions. he really does what works. so i think that possibility that