tied to their economic status. and the grievances were not really tied to race, i should say. they were that the country is being betrayed from within by barack obama. there's one man i didn't get to quote in the article who started to weave a theory about how gas prices were artificially suppressed before the 2008 election, that he tried to explain how the economic crisis happened in ways that didn't make a ton of sense unless you think they, capital t, they are out to get us. and that is a sentiment that is not really tethered to one little group of the country. it was pretty big in this room. >> okay. hunter, you wrote on this plan to get 100% of the black vote. which i'm just going to go out on a limb and predict doesn't happen. but i do think this. there's been all this reporting about how all over the place donald trump has been in his career positionwise, and i do think that were he to win the nomination i think he would just etch-a-sketch it up, shake it and just be completely -- just say whatever he thought would work for that. >> well, there was a really stunning admission in my opinion