townus to. >> that's exactly -- that's exactly my point, thomas. >> how do you secure americans in their own homes and neighborhoods to let them believe that their neighbors aren't someone to suspect, that we can have a right to own a handgun or right to protect yourself and why do we need jumbo clips? why do we need to have the semiautomatic rifles? what's the right for that in the hunting society? who needs it? >> we are not talking about hunting. we are talking about the 2nd amendment. when you look at the verbage it says the rights of the american people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. you don't get any clearer than that. it's emphatic that the rights of the american people to keep and bear arms is a guarantee under the constitution of the united states. >> then, sir, will you limit the amount of ammunition they can buy? >> you made the point even if we limited the ammunition, thomas, they won't comply with the law.