we need to be doing systemic proactive reforring. >> i want to underline that. i think that's not a small point. that it becomes overwhelmingly easy to look at the person who is the shooter, right, not that there isn't responsibility there. but the ways in which we have all of these that create these bad acts but often not walking back up the chain and saying where do these incentives come from, what kind of messages are people getting and quite honestly this idea of good officers but still part of a culture who, like where you just don't speak against your boss, right, or you don't speak about the blue code. >> there should be accountability but we also have to remember, what you were talking about earlier in the show, seven people are shot in chicago every single day on average. if you did a shooting map of this city and many other cities in america for 5 or 10 years, you can't see the city. the city is covered with dots. i believe it's 5,000.