now we're all up against isis and isis-inspired people, al qaeda-inspired people. we know right from the bat, the first thing they do is isolate you away from your family. we saw that in the omar abdulmutallab, the airplane bomb. his parents in nigeria went to the central intelligence agency and said we don't know what's going on with our son, he doesn't talk to us, we think he's a threat to the united states. that's how we learned about it. because they couldn't communicate with him. so it's the level of come out to u.s. law enforcement is almost the same that we had in 2012 when i was training state and homeland security departments. foreign intelligence officers from the middle east like myself now have to come to federal and local law enforcement to give them the same intelligence capacity and the same intelligence training as a u.s. special operations unit in iraq or afghanistan would have. >> so -- >> that's the factor that's missing. >> and as we have seen the sort of physical upscaling in our capabilities, the intelligence,