wre can defeat isis, it's a doable thing. share ash carter's confidence in this. but what do we do once we defeat isis. the instability in this region is what has drawn isis to it. and ungoverned space like we've seen in libya is the magnet for terrorists. we've got to find a way to bring our allies in. it can't be us, it has to be the arab, kurdish and other allies bringing in to settle that peace. >> congressman, you get the last word on this. >> i think that's an important point. we don't have to have a massive american presence on the ground to defeat isis. it really should be a local force, including a lot of sunnis. that's a very important component and we've got to figure out how to achieve that goal. the way chairman dunford put it, we've got to stay involved in iraqi politics. we've got to be sbe zbrated into iraqi politics. my last question to him was if