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but, there is a war on some forms of contraception, as you mentioned, and so, if he just wants to make believe that iuds and hormonal therapies, you know, that stop pregnancies once there's consummation, if he wants to pretend there's not part of it, he's wrong, because they all support -- most of them, personhood bills that would outlaw a lot of major forms of contraception. >> contraception prevents conception. so it's after the fact it's abortive, or whatever the term is. so abortion versus contraception is the debate. >> and iuds, where they fall. >> a lot of pro-choice people say 99% of -- >> but we can get into the details, but it still is contraception. >> see how expert we all are? >> anyway, here's more from cruz. here's what cruz told hugh hewitt's radio show yesterday, when the topic turned to the attack on planned parenthood that killed three people out in colorado springs. >> you know, every time you have

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