i think water boarding is peanuts compared to what they do to us. >> joining me is susan del percio. >> the u.n. says water boarding is torture. your reaction to what donald trump is saying. >> i think it's completely un-american, and i think we've established now certainly this far into the obama precedence they waterboarding doesn't work. so it's quite surprising that donald trump can get away with talking about water boarding and taking this tough stance and we're not pointing out immediately that it is not an effective terror tactic and it's important not only to point out that it's un-american, but also that it doesn't work. >> susan, from a purely strategic standpoint, a lot of things that donald trump has ever worked, what do you make of this? >> you're right, chris. it works for him and it plays to his base and he can say things like this because he's not in a