issues that you're talking about. >> no, absolutely. you know, the hard part here is, as much as they wanted to contrast themselves from each other, american public, especially independent voters, are looking for solution-oriented candidates. they want reformers who understand the establishment but aren't necessarily from it. how are they going to get the economy moving? what are they going to do in terms of tax reform? how can they help pocketbook issues and folks struggling trying to meet their bills? this is what people are looking for in these candidates tonight and the more that they digress, focus on attacking each other, really pulls away attention for republicans from focusing on hillary clinton and what -- another damaging democratic presidency could do. >> so leslie, who has to be the best performer tonight? >> you say "performer," it makes me think of donald trump. >> who has to perform the best? let's put it that way. >> sure. no doubt, governor bush, people are looking for him to really articulate some of his education