>> but why are the polls off? >> because all these people who say they're democrats, you know, who are registered democrats keep voting republican. so the model's wrong, yes. >> another reason -- >> maybe -- >> is he on to something nationally? are you on to something nationally here? >> i think it's in kentucky -- >> because everybody says well, trump can't last, carson can't last. maybe they'll do even bigger. >> for the reason i think perry's hitting at, a lot of people don't want to necessarily admit they're going outside the system but they're going to do it. >> i remember obama beating the spread. >> the other thing is a lot of these polls are taken by media organizations and in ken cannot another thing that matt bevin did was basically cut off the entire state media, cut off the courier journal the biggest paper in the state, cut oft lexington -- >> no interviews. >> totally at war with the media. which is another big theme of this year coming up. every republican event you go to you attack the media and it's huge in response. and that's because the media also is viewed as --