actions. if you don't have people standing up and interrupting hillary clinton or interrupting bernie sanders or martin o'malley, maybe those candidates are less likely -- you know, it's key. hillary clinton was rolling out the beginnings of her criminal justice reform platform and even in that space was still interrupted. that provides a new pressure, potentially creates a new space for even more political gains by some of these activists. >> we had a big conversation about this inside/outside strategy last week with two black lives matter activists. mayor, you've been both inside and outside. as you watch these, both, continuing interruptions and sit-do si sit-down meetings. >> i think it is democracy at its best, that pressure that forces policy. it is absolutely what needs to happen. none of these things would be going on if folks weren't yelling "black lives matter" all over the country, they'd still be saying "all lives matters," except black people are the ones getting shot in the back by