believe me. that's why ohio is doing well. and that's important for you to know. number two, this is the man that was a managing general partner at lehman brothers when it went down the tubes and almost took every one of us with us including ben and myself. because i was there and i watched what happened and lehman brothers started it all. washington establishment. it applies to the media as well. he was such a nice guy. and he said oh, i'm never going to attack. but then his poll numbers tanked. that's why he's on the end. and he got nasty. he got nasty. so you know what? you can have him. >> boy, like the roman coliseum in moments like that. i'm joined by chuck todd, moderator of "meet the press," michael steele, the former rnc chair, and steve schmidt, the former senior strategist in john mccain's campaign. let's go over that interesting fact. we talked earlier tonight. it seems like the candidates for