somewhere down here. and so -- >> it's more symbolic, this afghanistan move. >> exactly. >> as a political matter. >> that's exactly right. that's terrible. 10,000 american troops. 10,000 civilian casualties. we should be caring a lot more about. unfortunately, that's the reality both in the military and i think in the political -- >> so if russia is at the top, do you want trump? if putin is your biggest problem? >> with russia at the top, you do want trump. >> yes, that's what i'm saying. because he's sort of -- >> there you do want trump because trump tower in the red square has been trump's dream for 25 years. >> and they're both, like, ripping off their shirt. you can see the whole thing. >> riding horses. >> yes, riding horses. >> however, i think that is actually -- that says it all because if that's the priority of the administration, russia is on the top you want to make an enemy out of putin when you can have numerously more dangerous enemies brooding and creating