salads yet. >> mcfarland warming up the crowd for a brernie sanders ven in l.a. joining us right now, the publisher of "the federalist." and, ben, part of -- i'm really curious how people in sort of conservative media and chatter and class who's are people who write at length and think a lot about policy. i know the folks. i interact. i read their stuff. how they must think watching the democratic debate just in terms of the amount of time that's being spent on that versus who did donald trump insult? >> you know sh it's interesting in the contrast. there i'm not sure that i agree with your premise. i looked at this debate and i saw very little debate about the ramifications of all these different policies where pretty much everybody on stage had the same views. you know, whether you're talking about minimum wage, free college, just about any other subject that seemed like there